|Corruption in the Philippines|
From: "Wallace H. Little" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
1430 FWB, FL Time, Sunday, 21 November 1999; Wally Little Here:
Dear bro. Deaton:
Although you sent your original to bro. Dan Peters, you included me on your address list. That's OK, and it gives me license to reply. I will do so "in-line," than append my original answer to Ron Halbrook, Roger Wanasen's critic. Following that, I'll append further information on this subject.
You began:---"Mr. Peters, We have the following for you to consider. Is it wrong for brethren to spend their money in the way they desire? Are the material blessings of brethren under their control? Do you have the right (or anyone else) to tell a brother where and how he should spend his money?..."
whl here:---None of your questions touch the hem of the garment of the issue. The real problem is materialism and dishonesty by Rody Gumpad and other Filipino "preachers." See Glenn Hamilton's comments on this concerning bro. Rody Gumpad (appended last).
You continued:---"...Is it wrong for a church to give money to a preacher? Is it wrong for a church to support a preacher to travel? Is it wrong for a church to give a preacher money for food? If you answer yes, then I suggest you get out and get a job and tell others who are supported as preachers to do the same thing..."
whl here:---Again, by your questions, you are showing you do not know what the issue it.
You continued:---"...Do preachers have the right to spend their support in the way they desire? Must all preachers live in apartments or trailer homes here in the US? Should all preachers drive cars that are at least 10 years old? If a preacher uses poor judgment in finances, does that mean he is a sinner?. Who is to judge the preacher in his finances?..."
whl here:---Same comment.
You stated:---"...I can tell you for a fact,
and also produce other witnesses, that when Jim McDonald preaches in the
Philippines and there are denominational preachers who want to be baptized,
they are explicitly told that there is no promise of any money--the only
promises that are made are: 1. If you believe and are baptized, you will
receive the remission of your sins; 2. If you
whl here:---How I wish it was that easy! You know nothing about Philippine
culture, nor the appeal the possibility of US money has on some, and not
just denominational preachers. Ask bro. McDonald why, a couple of years
ago, he preached a sermon in the Philippines on 1 Cor 9 and the preachers'
right to support. Which was heard by many there
with a comma after support, to which was added, mentally, "...from
the US." I have received letters from Filipino "preachers"
demanding I get them support,
However, concerning witness se, consider this:
Filipino "preacher"----"Bro. Americano, can you get me American support?"
American:---"What's your position on MDR?"
Now the Filipino is not stupid. If he wants support, he give the "right" answer. Then,...
American:---"If that is your position, in good conscience, how can you attend brother so-and-so's [one who disagrees with them on MDR] classes?"
Bro. Deaton, both Ron Halbrook were involved in that sort of shenanigan.
Further, I have photocopies of letters from both these Americans to Filipino preachers telling them to stop attending this one's class, on penalty of losing their support. Yet further, I have photocopies of letters from former supporters stopping support for Filipino preachers for attend the classes of this one. Even more, I have photocopies of letters from former supporters telling them they were dropped on the recommendation of bro. Rody Gumpad for associating with that other preacher and me.
In a word, you are defending a man who for the sake of power and influence among Filipinos has himself defended a man there who is dishonest and a liar. See my reposting below of what I earlier wrote, replying to Ron Halbrook's tirade against bro. Roger Wanasen.
In Christ: Wally Little
Now consider what Glenn Hamilton wrote to me.
At 03:09 PM 11/18/99 +0800, he wrote:---"A few points I would add.
My brother was at one of Rody's talks in the US
and the money Rody was raising there was for some sister in need.
He was asking for $1,500. Rody announced to the church here that he used
ALL the money raised in the US (approx. $15,000) to purchase his new Revo.
So Halbrook's contention
Glenn continued:---"...Second, Halbrook's saying the Rody (and Ron
and Jim) never use carnal weapons is baloney. Last
week Rody visited two congregations in Amulong and one in Roma, Enrile.
At each place he induced attendance by offering snacks. At Roma he
announced in advance he would bring 30 cold cokes and biscuits and rice
cake for those members of the current congregation in Roma who would come
to his meeting. Cokes and snacks are certainly carnal (as opposed to spiritual).
Rody has also in the past few weeks offered large cash payments to two
men if they would leave their current congregations and
Glenn continued:---"...Third, Rody has been attempting through these
carnal methods to bring brethren to heel. He has been
trying to split almost every congregation where their are preachers who
disagree with him. He has announced that Jim P., you, myself, and
the eight preachers and others are all going to hell (accusing all of
us as blood eaters, pro-divorce, one
covenant, and many other lies) but not Restie Graneta since Restie
came and on his knees asked for forgiveness from Rody. Rody has also announced
that he is no longer the preacher at Metro Tuguegarao (so his support
should be cut off completely),
With all of this, consider also:
Jim McDonald has been going to the Philippines to preach since around
1992 or 1993. Ron Halbrook didn't start until 1995. Connie Adams, until
this part year, had been there twice-1971 and 1975. Most of the others
are even more Johnny-come-latelies than that. Jim Puterbaugh has been
going there since 1977, lives and teaches there for nine to eleven months,
I've known Rody Gumpad for 15 years or more. How does that compare with how much time these others have known him? And just who do you think knows bro. Gumpad better?
You are out of your depth in this dispute. Your posting indicates that you are defending an indefensible man. I would guess (and that is ALL it is-my guess) you are doing so either because of personal relations and thus believing him, or because he holds the same MDR position you do, and you feel your defense if necessary because of the doctrinal point. If so, please read carefully what I wrote on the MDR situation in the Philippines.
Yours for a peaceful and harmonious work in the Philippines based on God's Word, and not anything else.
In Christ: Wally Little